More Desktop Thoughts

Posted on Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:41 PM in

Sandy made some excellent points, as expected, arguing for a Mac - "So count that as $150 for a really good environment and some nice apps, which retail all together for about $200." No doubt cause he just bought himself a shiny iMac. OS X is definitely a very nice operating system. After 2 years with a Powerbook, its worked great. iLife is definitely a nice suite but if I want to do some comfy video editing, its either get an iMac, and render my current dual LCD system useless (Staci could use one, I'm sure) or go up to a Mac Pro (or whatever the top of the line is called). Either way we're talking about another $700 or $2,000 dollars to spend. Which is just too pricey for me.

On a whim, I decided to see if I could pick up comparable parts at a local retailer. How do these guys stay in business? The largest, Microcenter, has a pretty slim variety. Similarly, the smaller Advanced2000 has less parts and are more expensive than newegg. I put items in my shopping cart, but i has well over the $725 newegg would charge, before shipping. I'd swapped out for a less expensive case. Plus, they're missing user-submitted reviews and advice for each part, which was a great research tool on newegg's site.

Update: In the comments, Jason asks if the AMD quieter than the better performing Intel chips. I just ran across Anandtech's article, measuring the power usage of Core 2 chipsets - which came in at 130 - 170 W. They mention AMD's Energy Efficient line as an alternative. The AMD X2 processor I'm looking at is from that line, and is rated at "only" 65W (for the CPU). Since quieter operation, is directly proportional to the operating temperature of the system, using lower power (and hence cooler) components is one way to make a quieter system. You'll notice, in my newegg list, that I also chose a decent, but passively cooled video card to help reduce noise.

Comments

Jason Lefkowitz says

I agree with you, the Mac platform isn't as compelling on the desktops as it is on the laptops. I recommend Macs for general users these days, but you're hardly a "general user".

That's a compliment, btw :)

So is the Athlon X2 really that much quieter than the Core 2 Duo? I'm a total AMD fanboy but all the performance benchmarks I've seen show the Core 2 having a substantially better bang-for-buck ratio than the X2...
Posted Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 09:16 AM

Oscar says

The articles I read, mostly on Tom's Hardwarem, made a point of stating that wile the Core 2 Duo's were better performers, the AMD chips were less power hungry and hence ran cooler.
Posted Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 09:59 AM

Sandy says

My iMac Core Duo at work and my iMac 24" Core 2 Duo (with upgraded video card and HD) at home are both almost completely silent--only occasional hard drive noise or noise when you use the CD/DVD RW drive. I've never heard any iteration of the Mac mini make a fan noise, either.
Posted Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 12:10 PM

Jason Lefkowitz says

Aah, but I'm not sure you're comparing apples to apples. (And that's not a swipe at Sandy, either ;-) )

Intel makes three flavors of Core 2 Duo:

1) the desktop version, codenamed "Conroe";
2) the laptop version, codenamed "Merom";
3) the server version, codenamed "Woodcrest".

The branding geniuses at Intel have decided to call these all simply "Core 2 Duo" at retail, which makes it a pain in the ass to figure out what chip you are looking at.

The article you linked to cites power consumption figures for a Conroe chip (the E6700). Here's the Newegg page for a Merom version, the T5600:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819111303

The Meroms are more expensive (a similarly-clocked Conroe is $80 less) but they presumably have lower power consumption, though I haven't found any benchmarks for them yet. Merom would probably be a better comparison for the AMD Energy Efficient chips than Conroe is.
Posted Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 01:50 PM

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